Comments on: The Link http://freestyleroadtrip.wordpress.com/2009/05/20/the-link/ Courage 勇 Humility 謙 Adventure 険 Passion 熱 Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:49:05 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: freestyleroadtrip http://freestyleroadtrip.wordpress.com/2009/05/20/the-link/#comment-753 freestyleroadtrip Thu, 21 May 2009 14:47:39 +0000 http://freestyleroadtrip.wordpress.com/?p=373#comment-753 Good morning. Ready to battle. Well I am very well trained at getting into heads. Have done it for decades on the basketball court. Have done it for decades in taking care of patients. And have defended myself for 16 years from a lovely wife who always seems to find the cracks in my own head. Good morning. Ready to battle. Well I am very well trained at getting into heads. Have done it for decades on the basketball court. Have done it for decades in taking care of patients. And have defended myself for 16 years from a lovely wife who always seems to find the cracks in my own head.

]]> By: TitforTat http://freestyleroadtrip.wordpress.com/2009/05/20/the-link/#comment-751 TitforTat Thu, 21 May 2009 04:12:47 +0000 http://freestyleroadtrip.wordpress.com/?p=373#comment-751 Damn Doctors.............Keep getting inside my head. ;)..........Goodnight. Damn Doctors………….Keep getting inside my head. ;)……….Goodnight.

]]> By: freestyleroadtrip http://freestyleroadtrip.wordpress.com/2009/05/20/the-link/#comment-750 freestyleroadtrip Thu, 21 May 2009 04:03:02 +0000 http://freestyleroadtrip.wordpress.com/?p=373#comment-750 Going to bed. I have to get up early for my last long run before my awesome vacation which starts Friday. So you'll have all night to rip me up one side and down the other with me not available to defend myself. Rest assured I will be refilled with ammo after my 12 miles in the morning. Going to bed. I have to get up early for my last long run before my awesome vacation which starts Friday. So you’ll have all night to rip me up one side and down the other with me not available to defend myself. Rest assured I will be refilled with ammo after my 12 miles in the morning.

]]> By: freestyleroadtrip http://freestyleroadtrip.wordpress.com/2009/05/20/the-link/#comment-749 freestyleroadtrip Thu, 21 May 2009 04:00:52 +0000 http://freestyleroadtrip.wordpress.com/?p=373#comment-749 Well yeah. You do need to go further because it seems to me you are reading rather literally (or historically) when you should be reading it metaphorically. All I take that to mean is that God is responsible for creating light. Plus, I think you are jumping ahead of yourself. I would call this the creation of the universe, not the creation of the world and consider the days to represent epochs. So there could in fact be light from the Big Bang before the creation of the sun. And so I feel like that you have just proved my point Mr. TFT. If an individual didn't already know about Big Bang theory, say 200 years ago, and pulled out his handy dandy bible and started reading the same old passage he had read 400 million times and had an ah-ha moment that maybe this wasn't talking literally about the first few days of creating our earth and it was talking about something else, you perhaps would have been prompted to ask a different scientific question by a reading of the bible. Toche? Well yeah. You do need to go further because it seems to me you are reading rather literally (or historically) when you should be reading it metaphorically. All I take that to mean is that God is responsible for creating light. Plus, I think you are jumping ahead of yourself. I would call this the creation of the universe, not the creation of the world and consider the days to represent epochs. So there could in fact be light from the Big Bang before the creation of the sun. And so I feel like that you have just proved my point Mr. TFT. If an individual didn’t already know about Big Bang theory, say 200 years ago, and pulled out his handy dandy bible and started reading the same old passage he had read 400 million times and had an ah-ha moment that maybe this wasn’t talking literally about the first few days of creating our earth and it was talking about something else, you perhaps would have been prompted to ask a different scientific question by a reading of the bible. Toche?

]]> By: TitforTat http://freestyleroadtrip.wordpress.com/2009/05/20/the-link/#comment-748 TitforTat Thu, 21 May 2009 03:23:33 +0000 http://freestyleroadtrip.wordpress.com/?p=373#comment-748 Gracious?, Grace? Hmm. God almighty I think you have me confused with another Guy who's name starts with "J". Ok, here we go. I dont agree with your post and heres why. "I think our task should be to discover how it is through good science, good philosophy, good debate, and the senses and powers of the mind that God gave us. We should be using good science to help us understand the bible better. And we should be using the bible to help us understand good science better."(Doug) The creator gave us a mind to help us figure things out. Im not so sure the bible is going to help any scientist discover what his brain is trying to discover. Case in point is right there in front of us. Genesis 1 .....The creation of the world 3And God said,(C) "Let there be light," and there was light. 4And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. 5God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. 14And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for(I) signs and for(J) seasons,[f] and for days and years, 15and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth." And it was so. 16And God(K) made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. 17And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18to(L) rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day. Well Im no scientist, but it seems to me G-d kind of got things backwards here. How can you have light the first day if you havnt created the Sun and Moon until the fourth day? Doug, need I go further? Gracious?, Grace? Hmm. God almighty I think you have me confused with another Guy who’s name starts with “J”.

Ok, here we go. I dont agree with your post and heres why.

“I think our task should be to discover how it is through good science, good philosophy, good debate, and the senses and powers of the mind that God gave us. We should be using good science to help us understand the bible better. And we should be using the bible to help us understand good science better.”(Doug)

The creator gave us a mind to help us figure things out. Im not so sure the bible is going to help any scientist discover what his brain is trying to discover. Case in point is right there in front of us.

Genesis 1 …..The creation of the world

3And God said,(C) “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. 5God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

14And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for(I) signs and for(J) seasons,[f] and for days and years, 15and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so. 16And God(K) made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. 17And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18to(L) rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day.

Well Im no scientist, but it seems to me G-d kind of got things backwards here. How can you have light the first day if you havnt created the Sun and Moon until the fourth day?

Doug, need I go further?

]]> By: freestyleroadtrip http://freestyleroadtrip.wordpress.com/2009/05/20/the-link/#comment-747 freestyleroadtrip Thu, 21 May 2009 02:29:22 +0000 http://freestyleroadtrip.wordpress.com/?p=373#comment-747 Paul. Thanks for the pointer. As you probably know, I am not one to shy away from stickiness, even a big sticky mess. I'll take your suggestion to heart as not to offend anyone and create unnecessary stickiness. I'll go back and add a clarification in parentheses. Thanks. Something must have come up at Theology pub which by the way I would love to attend but the timing is really bad for me. I do plan to come to the Monday night group when we get back from our trip. Paul. Thanks for the pointer. As you probably know, I am not one to shy away from stickiness, even a big sticky mess. I’ll take your suggestion to heart as not to offend anyone and create unnecessary stickiness. I’ll go back and add a clarification in parentheses. Thanks. Something must have come up at Theology pub which by the way I would love to attend but the timing is really bad for me. I do plan to come to the Monday night group when we get back from our trip.

]]> By: freestyleroadtrip http://freestyleroadtrip.wordpress.com/2009/05/20/the-link/#comment-746 freestyleroadtrip Thu, 21 May 2009 02:27:23 +0000 http://freestyleroadtrip.wordpress.com/?p=373#comment-746 I'm a bit lost. You say you agree with TFT, Luke, but then you agree with both of us in your comment by essentially stating that yeah, they need to be separate sometimes and then they need to be blended sometimes. So it seems like you agree with TFT. You also agree with me. I agree with TFT too I just think he was taking my post too far. ATTR seems to agree with TFT and with me too. And I agree with Luke. That is quite a bit of agreement flying around the horn. The world must be coming to an end. I’m a bit lost. You say you agree with TFT, Luke, but then you agree with both of us in your comment by essentially stating that yeah, they need to be separate sometimes and then they need to be blended sometimes. So it seems like you agree with TFT. You also agree with me. I agree with TFT too I just think he was taking my post too far. ATTR seems to agree with TFT and with me too. And I agree with Luke. That is quite a bit of agreement flying around the horn. The world must be coming to an end.

]]> By: paulhill http://freestyleroadtrip.wordpress.com/2009/05/20/the-link/#comment-745 paulhill Thu, 21 May 2009 02:01:36 +0000 http://freestyleroadtrip.wordpress.com/?p=373#comment-745 Doug, just a small point to think about. Using the word "literal" in relationship to the Bible is notoriously sticky. I think I know what you mean when you use the word. I would suggest using the word historical vs. metaphorical/figurative when discussing the early part of Genesis. Doug, just a small point to think about. Using the word “literal” in relationship to the Bible is notoriously sticky. I think I know what you mean when you use the word.

I would suggest using the word historical vs. metaphorical/figurative when discussing the early part of Genesis.

]]> By: Luke http://freestyleroadtrip.wordpress.com/2009/05/20/the-link/#comment-744 Luke Thu, 21 May 2009 01:51:29 +0000 http://freestyleroadtrip.wordpress.com/?p=373#comment-744 separate classes are good to understand the basic arguments, logic, and structures behind the subject. so i agree with TfT there (i like that configuration!). but as you study the subjects the more you'll blend them and blend them in a way that represents a deep understanding... not a passing knowledge. a passing knowledge got us in trouble in so many ways.... we had a passing knowledge of the culture and structure of Iraq and Afghanistan, so when the USA came in with the passing knowledge.. well.. it's cost a lot of lives to get a deeper knowledge we should have had at the start... plus if we had a deeper knowledge we wouldn't be there in the first place! sorry to take it to politikz, but it was the best metaphor i could think up on short notice ;-) separate classes are good to understand the basic arguments, logic, and structures behind the subject. so i agree with TfT there (i like that configuration!).

but as you study the subjects the more you’ll blend them and blend them in a way that represents a deep understanding… not a passing knowledge. a passing knowledge got us in trouble in so many ways…. we had a passing knowledge of the culture and structure of Iraq and Afghanistan, so when the USA came in with the passing knowledge.. well.. it’s cost a lot of lives to get a deeper knowledge we should have had at the start… plus if we had a deeper knowledge we wouldn’t be there in the first place!

sorry to take it to politikz, but it was the best metaphor i could think up on short notice ;-)

]]> By: freestyleroadtrip http://freestyleroadtrip.wordpress.com/2009/05/20/the-link/#comment-743 freestyleroadtrip Wed, 20 May 2009 19:53:20 +0000 http://freestyleroadtrip.wordpress.com/?p=373#comment-743 Well then I think ol' TFT needs to be a bit more gracious in his so-called forthcoming rebuttal which he is holding over my head in an apparent attempt to induce fear and trembling on my part. If he commented on your blog that led to an ah-ha for you that has caused you to come to my blog and confirm something of mine, that sounds like a big happy circle to me that he is trying to turn into a square. Not gonna happen, TFT. :) Well then I think ol’ TFT needs to be a bit more gracious in his so-called forthcoming rebuttal which he is holding over my head in an apparent attempt to induce fear and trembling on my part. If he commented on your blog that led to an ah-ha for you that has caused you to come to my blog and confirm something of mine, that sounds like a big happy circle to me that he is trying to turn into a square. Not gonna happen, TFT. :)

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